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Hello Stephen

I hope you are well.  My name is Christian Gee. You may actually recall my name from the depths of the past. I spoke to you a couple of times on the phone over the past years...in fact you were someone i was able to turn to for assistance and you helped me, all be it over the phone or by email.  I am eternally grateful for that as i was in a very dark place at that time.  Anyway, i am a veteran with tinnitus.  I have every high pitched sound under the sun that never left and actually when i probably last spoke to you in 2013 my tinnitus went through the roof and i didn't see much light but somehow i came through.
Well, my life has been thrown into turmoil again.  A week or so ago i briefly listened to some music on headphones and now i am left with a vibrating bass sound in my ear.  That day i thought someone was playing music in the street and it was the throb of the bass, but i realised its my ears.  This noise hasn't stopped and i literally feel like there is a truly unwelcome continual party going in my head.  The noise is confusing....if there is other background noise it can feel like everything is vibrating outside of it. The noise is a throbbing bass sound and it feels like my head is virbrating.

The beat of the noise makes it really feel like there is a contant bass pounding noise.  Its making me ill and exasperated and i dont see how i can live with it much longer.  I feel like ive met the worst challenge yet and im going to crack.

HELP.  With high pitched screaming tinnitus i felt like i could mask it and push it out but this pounding feels so associated with a bass sound so it makes it impossible for the brain to disassociate with.
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Hello Christian -

Nice to hear from you again, although I'm sorry it's under such circumstances.

Before assuming that this "vibrating bass sound" is just another tinnitus sound, I think you should contact an ENT specialist for an evaluation. Tinnitus typically does not have a tactile component. It's something you hear, not something you feel.

So please do see an ENT. And let us all know what he or she has to say.

In the meantime, try to avoid the (natural) temptation to seek silence. Of course you want to stay away from incredibly loud sounds - but environmental silence is quite stressful for the auditory system. You already know that as a tinnitus "veteran," but I just wanted to remind you.

Best regards -

Stephen M. Nagler, M.D.

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Hello

I am waiting to see ent. This is a very bad situation for me. I feel like I am in hell.

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I am waiting to see ent. This is a very bad situation for me. I feel like I am in hell.

From my understanding, my old friend, hell is supposed to be a place of severe pain and intense heat from which there is no hope for escape.

Best I can tell from your postings, for the past week or so you have been experiencing a very unpleasant vibrating bass sensation in one ear. There is no pain. There is no heat. You have wisely made an appointment for an ENT evaluation to determine what is going on, and for all you know there could be a very simple fix. In fact, it may go away on its own before you ever get to the ENT's office!

I totally understand that you are anxious and concerned about this unpleasant sensation, but how can you justify thinking of it in terms of severe pain and intense heat from which there is no hope for escape?

It's a serious question. I ask because thinking of this sensation in such an emotionally-charged manner cannot help but make you feel worse than you would otherwise feel. And you feel bad enough as is - so why compound your misery!

Stephen M. Nagler, M.D.

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Hello.  I do understand your logic but as someone who has suffered tinnitus for a considerable time in the past, subjectively this is a bigger more serious challenge as the noise is so bass related and resonating.  I guess i just cant explain it sufficiently but it is such a complicated sound which is interacting with other external sounds , other external sounds  so  my whole auditory and nervous system is in chaos and im currently suffering immeasurably :-( 
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There is no need to explain anything, certainly not to me anyway. But, if I may, please tell me what the ENT said about this vexing bass vibration sensation of yours at your appointment. Is it some form of myoclonus? Is it a variation of TTTS? What did your ENT tell you, and what was his or her recommendation?

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Being in the UK, i have to wait another 2 weeks to see the ENT....until then i have no direction on it. I wonder if the fact that it is a low frequency noise in the ear gives the sensation of a vibration .
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Christian, I do not know what is causing the sensation of a vibration. I suppose it might be extremely low pitched tinnitus, but that would certainly not be my first guess.

Now I want you to listen to me carefully here. And please please please take no offense at what I am about to say. It comes from a place of compassion, I assure you.

First of all, I think it's wonderful that you will be able to see an ENT for an evaluation in two weeks' time. I know that you'd prefer to be seen sooner, but two weeks seems to me to be a reasonable amount of time to wait for an appointment through the NHS to evaluate the sort of extremely unpleasant bass vibration sensation that you are experiencing. However, two weeks is NOT a reasonable amount of time to wait for an appointment to evaluate a symptom that in actuality makes you "feel like [you are] in hell" where you are "suffering immeasurably." If your symptoms truly made you feel that way, you would see a private pay ENT outside the NHS today and pay for it from your own funds. If necessary, you would beg, borrow, or steal the money. Why? Because nobody in his or her right mind would spend even one second more than absolutely necessary suffering immeasurably in a place of severe pain and intense heat from which there is no hope for escape!

The point I am trying to make, my friend, is that while you are truly and justifiably miserable, you are not suffering literally to the degree you are describing in your posts. Why is that so important? It's because thinking about your situation in such an emotionally-charged manner is actually making you feel worse! I have described this phenomenon in my Letter to a Tinnitus Sufferer, and I hope you will take time to read it slowly a time or two.

I will keep a good thought for you!

Stephen M. Nagler, M.D.

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I understand your logic, appreciate your undoubted experience in the matter and your willingness to do good but i do read and i can confirm that low frequency tinnitus ( if it is to be that) is very hard to habituate to.  It can be confused with external noises and can exaggerate external noises. Very confusing and hard to dismiss i think.
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Low frequency tinnitus is no harder to habituate to than high frequency tinnitus. At least that is the case with TRT.

The source of your confusion, I suspect, is the abundance of bad information on the Internet.

What I find interesting - in a sad sort of way - is that you don't even know that your problem is low frequency tinnitus at all, yet you are already creating barriers to your success with unfounded claims and emotion-based reasoning.

In any event, this is a question and answer site - and I have done my best to answer the questions you have raised.

I wish you well.

Stephen M. Nagler, M.D.

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Ok Stephen.  You know very well i respect your reasoning.  You have always been a great person to turn to in these moments of despair.  However i feel and whatever you tell me, i am eternally grateful for your advice past and present.  Thank you. Best Wishes.
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All the best to you as well, Christian.

Stephen M. Nagler, M.D.

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Hello.  I would just like to report i did attend ENT.  Hearing test was slightly below normal but nothing significant.  Ear pressure is slightly negative but apparently of no significance. Nothing else to do or say,  The pounding bass sound in my left ear continues to torture me and i see no light at the end of the tunnel anymore.  I am an utter mess and soon to be a statistic.  
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Christian, you say that you are soon to be a statistic. It seems to me that you have tinnitus. 20% of the population of the UK, where you live, has tinnitus. Your tinnitus affects your life. 4% of the population of the UK has tinnitus that affects their lives. And not only does your tinnitus affect your life, it profoundly affects your life. 1% of the population of the UK has tinnitus that profoundly affects their lives. That means that you are in the same boat as 660,000 of your UK neighbors. Those are statistics that I can sink my teeth into. You say you are an utter mess right now. Trust me, I know the feeling. When I was an utter mess back in 1994, I went about getting the very best professional help available at the time. For me it was 1000 miles away. That's farther than the entire length of Great Britain, which means that you are in better shape already than I was back then - since even in the worst case, you won't have to travel as far as I did. How far do you live from London?

Stephen M. Nagler, M.D.

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Hi Stephen.  Sorry my implicatrion was that i am failing to cope and feel like i face becoming someone who can bear no more. I live quite close to London.  Sadly, i have no financial resources to address the matter with any therapy or what not.  Look, my big issue is that i have had severe loud screaming tinnitus for 30 years.  I habituated it.  However, i am saying that i cannot see how i can habituate to this sound because it is , in my perception, is impossible to live along side.  I really am that much in trouble with it.  I firmly believe that such a confusing, loud bass sound in an ear can cause more trouble than anything else.  How do i know ? because i have the other sounds as well and this is off the scale ! eek !
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